Folio 1vAugsburg, 15th c.
Opening plate of Talhoffer's 1467 Fechtbuch showing two longsword fencers approaching one another.
Talhoffer, Alte Armatur und Ringkunst, 1459 — Ms.Thott.290.2º, fol. 6r. Wikimedia Commons ↗
Folio 1rGerman (Talhoffer)

Vom Tag

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The chief high guard of the German school. The sword waits above the head, every descending cut latent in the shoulders.

You stand in Vom Tag — sword raised over the right shoulder or straight overhead, weight settled, eyes on the opponent's hands. Tag is where the descending cuts are born: the straight Oberhau, the diagonal Zornhau, and every derivative that follows from them.

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From the manuals

  1. Pseudo-Hans Döbringer (anonymous Nuremberg gloss)Cod. HS 3227a, c. 1389

    vom tage

    The earliest surviving Liechtenauer gloss treats Vom Tag as one of the four chief guards and warns against lingering in any of them: the fencer who stands still in a guard, the author writes, is already losing the initiative. The sword on the shoulder is preparation, not rest.

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  2. Sigmund RingeckMS Dresd. C 487, 15th c.

    Ringeck's gloss describes the guard with the sword held over the right shoulder, or held straight up over the head with arms extended. From either form, the named hidden strokes — Zorn-, Krump-, Zwerch-, Schiel- and Scheitelhau — are launched against an opponent who has committed to another guard.

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  3. Hans TalhofferCod.icon. 394a, 1467

    Talhoffer's plates open with two fencers approaching one another in this posture. He gives almost no commentary on the guard itself; for him it is simply the opening, the place every plate in the book begins.

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  4. Joachim MeyerGründtliche Beschreibung, Strasbourg 1570

    Meyer keeps Vom Tag among his four primary guards (with Ochs, Pflug and Alber) and distinguishes a right-shoulder form from a centred high form. He frames every guard as a transitional moment: the sword passes through Tag on its way to a strike and returns to it once the strike is finished.

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  5. Fiore dei Liberi (Italian parallel)Fior di Battaglia, Getty MS Ludwig XV 13, c. 1410

    Posta di Donna · Posta di Falcone

    Fiore depicts the same shoulder-borne sword as Posta di Donna and the centred overhead form as Posta di Falcone. He marks both with the crown of a master-guard and writes that the descending blow they launch breaks every lower posture.

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  6. Wiktenauer — community concordanceVom Tag entry

    Wiktenauer collates the gloss tradition: the guard appears under names including Vom Tag, vom Tach and Tagk in the German sources, and is treated as functionally equivalent to Fiore's Posta di Donna and Posta di Falcone in modern reconstructions.

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Notes are paraphrased summaries of how each source treats this play, not translations. Follow the Wiktenauer links for the original verses, gloss texts and high-resolution scans.